Cro-Mags Singer Warned of Threats Prior to CBGB Webster Hall Show

Posted on: July 8th, 2012 by

Photo by Dave Gustav

Two days after the incident, three of the area newspapers converged in their coverage of the Cro-Mags knifing incident at Webster Hall Friday evening. Harley Flanagan was charged with second-degree assault and criminal possession of a weapon. Seeing the subsequent beatdown with our own eyes, it’s nice to obtain more of the complete picture behind the band politics animosity.

First, Colin Moynihan of the New York Times penned the following, and was gracious enough to quote Bowery Boogie:

“This dude has been a negative thorn in the side of this band forever,” Mr. Joseph [lead singer] said. “I hope he gets what’s coming to him.”

Few bands were as energetic as the Cro-Mags during the heyday of the Lower East Side hard-core scene in the mid- to late 1980s. Their first record, “The Age of Quarrel,” featured an illustration of a mushroom cloud on the cover and driving songs with shouted lyrics about existential fear and the limits of anarchism.

The crowd was waiting for the Cro-Mags on Friday night when Mr. Flanagan darted from the dressing room while yelling something that onlookers could not make out, according to a spectator, Elie Perler.

At almost the same time, Mr. Perler, the co-creator of the Bowery Boogie blog, said security guards yelled, “Get his hands,” and “He has a knife,” as they converged on him. “It took all of those huge guys; he was squirming and flailing,” he said.

The New York Post digs even deeper:

Both men floated in and out of the band over the years — and spent most that time fighting.

To the Cro-Mags, Joseph claims, Flanagan is nothing more than a thief who’s stolen “tens of thousands of dollars” from the band and an agitator who causes problems wherever he went.

At Webster Hall on Friday, Joseph anticipated Flanagan’s arrival because his former bandmate had been posting threats on Facebook.

Joseph warned CBGB Festival organizers that Flanagan wasn’t wanted, but he wound up obtaining a press pass. Flanagan snuck up to their dressing room and was spotted by Joseph’s girlfriend next to the door right before the band’s set at 8:15 pm. Joseph’s nephew ran to get security — but the bassist had already slashed and sunk his teeth into his victims.

And from the Daily News:

He first lunged at one of the men and slashed him twice in the side, the sources said. As the second victim tried to break up the fight, Flanagan bit him and slashed him near his right eye.

Flanagan then turned back to the first victim and cut him again in the right arm and bit him in the left forearm. Both men were taken to a hospital with nonlife-threatening injuries.

Flanagan, who played bass with the band, was charged with second-degree assault and criminal possession of a weapon, cops said. A 4- to 5-inch knife was recovered at the scene.

  • Don Monmouth

    Now THAT’S rock and roll!

  • skiff

    if these guys really wanna get this guy out of their lives, they should stop playing songs he wrote under a name he probably owns… he is not just “the bassist”, he IS the Cro-Mags, take a quick look at the personel listings on their discography.

  • BIPOLARMAGS

    Harley may have helped start an amazing band. but he’ll fuckin turn his back on Anyone any givin time too. even people that “loved” him. Huge fuckin Bipolar fuck ! Huge fuckin ego too ! This is not surprising or shocking to me one bit. Little boys still arguing over MUSIC…FUCKING MUSIC!!!! When is Ace and Peter going to stab Gene and Paul…thats what we all really want to see right! “hey man that guy thinks hes me..Ill have to take him down” ! LET IT GO FUCKTARD!!! Not the only band alive to break up and be bitter towards each other…and have a member still use the name…Harley used the name for years, john used the name, .A LITTLE BITTER BECAUSE HE (HARLEY)CANT WRITE ANYTHING AS GOOD SINCE QUARREL MAYBE? CAN ONLY DWELL ON WHAT WAS? .NYC HARDCORE…..MORE LIKE NYC TOUGH GUY COMPETITION GAY AS EGOS AND DRAMA . HARLEY AND DANZIG SHOULD BE LOCKED UP TOGETHER AND BECOME LOVERS. IF NOT ALREADY?KEEP POSING WITH YOUR CHIN UP …ITS SO SCARY !!!!!!!!

  • NOT BUYING IT

    John Joseph is a corporate krisna. He uses things like PMA to pretend to be a good dude, meanwhile he is a leader in a drug gang. His nice guy act is pretty hard to swallow.

  • NYHC

    I heard Stigma and Jimmy G got Harley to attack John. I guess it was a DMS hit?

  • FREE HARLEY FLANAGAN

    Hours before the show, John Joeseph gave Webster Hall bouncers Harleys picture with specific instructions to get this guy and beat him! Harley went there in peace and love. He asked John if he could play a song. John said no.When Harley went into the dressing room,He was attacked. Harley is a black belt trained in fighting. One of the guys pulled a knife. Instinct and survival took over and Harley defended himself. 2 guys got slashed with their own knife while scuffling on the floor. Its wasnt Harleys knife. Security checks everyone at the door with a wand/metal detector. Harley was set up and framed in my opinion.

  • Petar Yankov

    John and Harley need to just fuck each other and get it over with. Thats what this is really all about…years of pent up sexual tension and denial.

  • witness

    jimmy g. is a piece of shit. look how he polluted harley brain to attack j.j. and the mags. jimmy g. dressler goe to hell……

  • witness

    John Joseph is a corporate krisna. He uses things like PMA to pretend to
    be a good dude, meanwhile he is a leader in a drug gang.?????—-> no that’s jimmy crack head gestapo dressler. murphys cokehead law whos the real loser leader of a back stabber drug gang from long island. who put the buzz in harleys head to attack j.j. and the mags. and planted the knife in the vip.. he set harley up!

  • makes you say hmmmm

    hmmmmm . . . so all of the “eyewitnesses” are members of a notorious drug gang called DMS with a boastful reputation for drug dealing, violence and any crime they can think of. So, based off their reputation, it makes it difficult to believe the story that JJ is pushing that these “innocent” “eyewitnesses saw his version of this crime take place.